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« on: September 22, 2009, 08:01:00 AM »

There were a few complaints about the Atlas Credit Sweepstakes in comments so we pulled this down.

They "were" a sponsor.

Currently our sponsorship is barely keeping SA funded.

Our referral fee from Amazon.com is about $10 this month. There has been talk that members would shop Amazon via our link on the main page but as you can see this really hasn't happened.

If you like SA and especially if you use it daily we would appreciate it if you took care of our sponsors
where possible. Its most cases we are not asking you to spend any money. Check out the Sweepstakes Sponsors in the Google ads, In the Newsletter or in the commercial ads in between some sweepstakes.

Its costs SA several thousand dollars and climbing per month to keep the site up because of its
popularity. If you don't want us to start charging a monthly fee to access it please consider our plea.

Thank You and God Bless,

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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2009, 11:29:53 AM »

I just ordered a DVD from Amazon via SA, and will definitely do my Amazon Christmas shopping that way. I know one little DVD doesn't help, but if more people did it, it would add up.

Slightly off topic, but I have to add, I was shocked. I wanted to order two DVDs of The Cats of Mirikitani. Can you believe, they are listed for (new) $89.99 and $99.99 and (used) $3,774.60!!! I contacted the sellers to see why. I received a museum catalog in today's mail which sells the new DVD for $29.95. So, although this DVD purchase would help SA a bit, I'm still shopping!  Smile
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2009, 11:50:45 AM »

I just ordered a DVD from Amazon via SA, and will definitely do my Amazon Christmas shopping that way. I know one little DVD doesn't help, but if more people did it, it would add up.

Slightly off topic, but I have to add, I was shocked. I wanted to order two DVDs of The Cats of Mirikitani. Can you believe, they are listed for (new) $89.99 and $99.99 and (used) $3,774.60!!! I contacted the sellers to see why. I received a museum catalog in today's mail which sells the new DVD for $29.95. So, although this DVD purchase would help SA a bit, I'm still shopping!  Smile

Thank you! They must be very special used DVDs!  Smile
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2009, 02:15:01 PM »

Ken,

I, personally, would be happy as a clam to pay a monthly/yearly fee if it meant all the ads were to go away.   Smile

Not everybody understands what it takes to run a website such as this.  So let's look at the situation as it stands so folks here know what is involved.

 



As you know (but not everybody here does) operating a web site involves:

  • A.  Internet Access
  • B.  Domain Registration
  • C.  Hosting
  • D.  Storage
  • E.  Bandwidth
  • F.  Maintenance
  • G.  Website design


The above are one's costs whether the site is "free" or "fee".  Now to start breaking down those areas (while trying to keep it simple):



  • A.  Internet Access
             ... Moderate monthly fee which can vary from $10.00 to $80.00/month. (my ISP charges starting at $20.00/month)
  • B.  Domain Registration
             ... this is a small but yearly fee. Depending on who you go through this can range from $2.50 to $30.00 a year. (my ISP charges $20.00/year)
  • C.  Hosting
             ... a moderate monthly fee ranging from $10.00 to $40.00/month depending on storage required,# of domain names, email accounts, etc.  (My local ISP provides this @ $30.00 for 400 MB Storage space, 10 Domain Names, Traffic & Access reports, Forms Processing, Daily Tape backup, SSL Enabled Site (SSL Cert extra), MySQL Database, Interchange Shopping Cart, 60 Email Accounts, Customer Controlled Spam filters, Outbound Virus scanning, Inbound Virus Scanning.
  • D.  Storage
             ... now one starts acruing real costs based upon how much space one uses on the Host's server. This usually comes with a baseline amount with your Hosting.  (My local ISP provides this @ $5.00/100Mb/month for extra storage)
  • E.  Bandwidth
             ... one gets charged for every byte of data that is uploaded/dowloaded over the Host's server. A basic amount of "bandwidth" is usually provided with your Hosting, with additional amounts available for various costs.  There is also an option for heavy users called "Colocation Services" which is basically renting a rack server.  (my ISP provides this service for $130/month with 100Mb of Bandwidth)
  • F.  Maintainance
             ... costs nothing unless one pays for help.
  • G.  Website design
             ... ranges from free to many thousands of dollar per year. "Simplemachines" is a free format design anybody can use.




Now that we have looked at what it costs (which isn't anywhere near "thousands a month") ... let's look at ways one can make money to pay for that.



  • Donations
  • Member Fees:  Pay-to-use.  Can be charged daily, monthly, or yearly
  • Static Ads:  Clickable Links (no graphics).  This type pays low per click.
  • Active Ads:  Clickable Links (Flashers, Banners, Expanders).  This type pays better per click
  • Tracking Cookies:  Advertisers use them to "target" the user with specific ads.  Tracked ads pay better than untracked ones
  • Click-Through Pages:  Extra pages that open "in-between" your attempts to navigate the site. This type pays better per view/click.
  • Pop-ups:  Pages that open in a new window as you enter, navigate, or exit a site.  Pays per each "pop"
  • Lists:  Sell the user lists.  Pays best of all.




or ... How can we cut those costs?



  • A.  Internet Access  You can't change this cost much.
  • B.  Domain Registration  You can't change this cost, either.
  • C.  Hosting  If one reduces their storage needs, these costs will drop.
  • D.  Storage  Reducing extra storage reduces these extra fees.
  • E.  Bandwidth  The more "stuff" one puts on the site the more data is transferred per user/minute.
  • F.  Maintainance  Cut back on "Paid" help.
  • G.  Website design  This wesite design is free, so it would really be hard to reduce that


So basically, it all boils down to storage and bandwidth.  The fact is that these two factors are really intertwined.  I have no idea what amounts of these are used here, but those are the only ways to reduce costs.  So what can one do?

Storage.
1.  Cut down on all the personal "bling" that users can store on the server: extra messages, flashy things, mood critters.  
2.  Get rid of extra pages that nobody uses: click to win pages, games, blogs, chat, etc.
3.  Delete Sweeps data after 1 year, site wide. (ie: expired sweeps, user saved sweeps, etc)

Bandwidth.
1.  Delete Sweeps data after 1 year, site wide. (ie: expired sweeps, user saved sweeps, etc)
2.  Simplify the web site. Throw the 'bling' out the window.
3.  Restrict user time.

Revenue:
1.  Bigger and better 'flashy' ads! More 'click-through' pages. Toss in some pop-ups and pop-unders just to round out the mix.
2.  Membership fees.
3.  Get a grant from Obama!





But, for me ... give me the option to pay for an Ad Free version of the website.  I would happily pay up to $12 - 24.00/year to be rid of those pesky things.  They waste my time, irritate me, and are generally obnoxious.  I have never clicked on any of them and never will.  (Nothing personal there Ken or not wanting to support the site...) So, $12.00 from me is a whole lot better than ZERO.  Of course you can always keep the free ad-laden version for those who can't, won't, or are unable to pay up.

So the best of both worlds there!



 

Or you could just make it all a fee based membership, and keep the ads, too.  Of course that would also have the great side effect of reducing the bandwidth usage dramatically, saving you additional money!  


... just my 2 cent's worth.
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2009, 03:41:18 PM »

Hi Ken, got a question or two for you, do you have to register with the sites after you click on the ads for SA to get paid? Or does just clicking and going to the site get money for SA.I clicked on lucky surf and registered to play, is that all that is necessary with them or do I need to play also. I don't mind ads and have a special e-mail I use for spam stuff. Sorry for all the questions, but really don't have any idea how it all works except it takes  allot of work for you to keep a site this good and  popular going as well as it does. I thank you and everyone involved in running the site very much. I will be glad to do anything I can to help and would stay even if had to pay and see ads. I figure the 10 to 20 seconds it takes for an ad is worth all the prizes and fun I have. And when I am out fishing in my new boat I won I won't mind those ads one little bit. Thank you for all the work and I for one will try my best to click more ads and use links for shopping, although don't shop much, win all my Christmas and birthday presents. If the good Lord keeps letting me anyway. Take care and Gods blessings on all you have to accomplice
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2009, 09:42:59 PM »

First, thanks for typing all of this. There are some good ideas here. Some we have thought about implementing
in the past. Let me digest all that you wrote and reply a little later. Last night we created a new sponsors page. Hopefully members who find value in the site will visit the sponsor sections and signup for these sponsor sweepstakes, freebies, etc. http://www.sweepsadvantage.com/keepitfree.html

Ken,

I, personally, would be happy as a clam to pay a monthly/yearly fee if it meant all the ads were to go away.   Smile

Not everybody understands what it takes to run a website such as this.  So let's look at the situation as it stands so folks here know what is involved.

 



As you know (but not everybody here does) operating a web site involves:

  • A.  Internet Access
  • B.  Domain Registration
  • C.  Hosting
  • D.  Storage
  • E.  Bandwidth
  • F.  Maintenance
  • G.  Website design


The above are one's costs whether the site is "free" or "fee".  Now to start breaking down those areas (while trying to keep it simple):



  • A.  Internet Access
             ... Moderate monthly fee which can vary from $10.00 to $80.00/month. (my ISP charges starting at $20.00/month)
  • B.  Domain Registration
             ... this is a small but yearly fee. Depending on who you go through this can range from $2.50 to $30.00 a year. (my ISP charges $20.00/year)
  • C.  Hosting
             ... a moderate monthly fee ranging from $10.00 to $40.00/month depending on storage required,# of domain names, email accounts, etc.  (My local ISP provides this @ $30.00 for 400 MB Storage space, 10 Domain Names, Traffic & Access reports, Forms Processing, Daily Tape backup, SSL Enabled Site (SSL Cert extra), MySQL Database, Interchange Shopping Cart, 60 Email Accounts, Customer Controlled Spam filters, Outbound Virus scanning, Inbound Virus Scanning.
  • D.  Storage
             ... now one starts acruing real costs based upon how much space one uses on the Host's server. This usually comes with a baseline amount with your Hosting.  (My local ISP provides this @ $5.00/100Mb/month for extra storage)
  • E.  Bandwidth
             ... one gets charged for every byte of data that is uploaded/dowloaded over the Host's server. A basic amount of "bandwidth" is usually provided with your Hosting, with additional amounts available for various costs.  There is also an option for heavy users called "Colocation Services" which is basically renting a rack server.  (my ISP provides this service for $130/month with 100Mb of Bandwidth)
  • F.  Maintainance
             ... costs nothing unless one pays for help.
  • G.  Website design
             ... ranges from free to many thousands of dollar per year. "Simplemachines" is a free format design anybody can use.




Now that we have looked at what it costs (which isn't anywhere near "thousands a month") ... let's look at ways one can make money to pay for that.



  • Donations
  • Member Fees:  Pay-to-use.  Can be charged daily, monthly, or yearly
  • Static Ads:  Clickable Links (no graphics).  This type pays low per click.
  • Active Ads:  Clickable Links (Flashers, Banners, Expanders).  This type pays better per click
  • Tracking Cookies:  Advertisers use them to "target" the user with specific ads.  Tracked ads pay better than untracked ones
  • Click-Through Pages:  Extra pages that open "in-between" your attempts to navigate the site. This type pays better per view/click.
  • Pop-ups:  Pages that open in a new window as you enter, navigate, or exit a site.  Pays per each "pop"
  • Lists:  Sell the user lists.  Pays best of all.




or ... How can we cut those costs?



  • A.  Internet Access  You can't change this cost much.
  • B.  Domain Registration  You can't change this cost, either.
  • C.  Hosting  If one reduces their storage needs, these costs will drop.
  • D.  Storage  Reducing extra storage reduces these extra fees.
  • E.  Bandwidth  The more "stuff" one puts on the site the more data is transferred per user/minute.
  • F.  Maintainance  Cut back on "Paid" help.
  • G.  Website design  This wesite design is free, so it would really be hard to reduce that


So basically, it all boils down to storage and bandwidth.  The fact is that these two factors are really intertwined.  I have no idea what amounts of these are used here, but those are the only ways to reduce costs.  So what can one do?

Storage.
1.  Cut down on all the personal "bling" that users can store on the server: extra messages, flashy things, mood critters.  
2.  Get rid of extra pages that nobody uses: click to win pages, games, blogs, chat, etc.
3.  Delete Sweeps data after 1 year, site wide. (ie: expired sweeps, user saved sweeps, etc)

Bandwidth.
1.  Delete Sweeps data after 1 year, site wide. (ie: expired sweeps, user saved sweeps, etc)
2.  Simplify the web site. Throw the 'bling' out the window.
3.  Restrict user time.

Revenue:
1.  Bigger and better 'flashy' ads! More 'click-through' pages. Toss in some pop-ups and pop-unders just to round out the mix.
2.  Membership fees.
3.  Get a grant from Obama!





But, for me ... give me the option to pay for an Ad Free version of the website.  I would happily pay up to $12 - 24.00/year to be rid of those pesky things.  They waste my time, irritate me, and are generally obnoxious.  I have never clicked on any of them and never will.  (Nothing personal there Ken or not wanting to support the site...) So, $12.00 from me is a whole lot better than ZERO.  Of course you can always keep the free ad-laden version for those who can't, won't, or are unable to pay up.

So the best of both worlds there!



 

Or you could just make it all a fee based membership, and keep the ads, too.  Of course that would also have the great side effect of reducing the bandwidth usage dramatically, saving you additional money!  


... just my 2 cent's worth.
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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2009, 09:48:44 PM »

Thank you for your questions. We would need members to participate ( register or signup ) in the sponsor sweepstakes
to keep our sponsors happy. Last night we created a list to make this easy. You can even use sweepscheck to check
them off. We really want to exhaust all options of keeping the site free before making SA a paid site for many reasons.

Here is the new sponsor page. http://www.sweepsadvantage.com/keepitfree.html

Thank You!

Hi Ken, got a question or two for you, do you have to register with the sites after you click on the ads for SA to get paid? Or does just clicking and going to the site get money for SA.I clicked on lucky surf and registered to play, is that all that is necessary with them or do I need to play also. I don't mind ads and have a special e-mail I use for spam stuff. Sorry for all the questions, but really don't have any idea how it all works except it takes  allot of work for you to keep a site this good and  popular going as well as it does. I thank you and everyone involved in running the site very much. I will be glad to do anything I can to help and would stay even if had to pay and see ads. I figure the 10 to 20 seconds it takes for an ad is worth all the prizes and fun I have. And when I am out fishing in my new boat I won I won't mind those ads one little bit. Thank you for all the work and I for one will try my best to click more ads and use links for shopping, although don't shop much, win all my Christmas and birthday presents. If the good Lord keeps letting me anyway. Take care and Gods blessings on all you have to accomplice
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