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« on: February 09, 2009, 12:33:32 AM » |
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From crisis to catastrophe. Off a cliff. Dark, darker, darkest. Mortal danger of absolute collapse. Armageddon.
President Obama and top Democrats on Capitol Hill are deploying these and other stark predictions of doom and gloom to push through their economic-stimulus package. In terms not heard in Washington since the late 1970s under President Jimmy Carter's watch, the new president has sought to terrify Americans into supporting the $800 billion-plus bailout bill.
While President Bush was accused shortly after taking office in 2001 of "talking down the economy" - and for saying the economy was "slowing down" - Mr. Obama is using ever-heightening hyperbole to hammer home his message. But the strategy brings great risk for the "Yes, We Can" man, who just three weeks ago told America in his inaugural address that despite "a sapping of confidence across our land," his election meant Americans had "chosen hope over fear."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/09/ramped-up-obama-rhetoric-could-backfire/So it's ok to use fear to stimulate the economy 
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lidarkside
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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2009, 12:40:50 AM » |
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Here's where I'm very surprised that most people are missing something very important in this whole so-called "stimulate the economy" thing.
If they want to put so much money back in your pocket, all they have to do is give you a tax credit when you do your tax return.
Simple, yes?
Well, here's the catch. If you were to get it as a tax credit, it's YOUR money. When it's given to you in a stimulus check, it's THEIR (the government's) money.
They do it this way, because when it's their money, they maintain the control.
...and the keyword is "CONTROL".
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cinphi
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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2009, 12:42:47 AM » |
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I think the key word is socialism.
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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2009, 12:47:06 AM » |
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I think the key word is socialism.
...and socialism is controlled society! 
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cinphi
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2009, 12:47:32 AM » |
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Here's the big question.
Will it work?
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2009, 12:49:23 AM » |
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http://mediamatters.org/items/200902090002?f=h_latestIn a February 9 Washington Times "analysis" titled, " 'Doom' talk scored as 'not Presidential' " -- promoted by the Drudge Report and ABCNews.com's The Note -- senior White House correspondent Joseph Curl quoted only Republican pollster Frank Luntz and Republican strategist Brad Blakeman to support the headline's assertion that President Obama's purported language of "doom" has been deemed "not presidential." Curl also asserted that Obama "has sought to terrify Americans into supporting" the economic recovery bill and uncritically quoted Blakeman's claim that "[w]hen [Obama] goes to 'DefCon 5' on the economy and says that we're on the brink of catastrophe, it's absolutely insane." But Curl ignored reports that many economists agree that substantial fiscal stimulus is urgently needed given the current economic conditions, and that time is of the essence. For instance, in a February 8 article, The Washington Post reported, "While economists remain divided on the role of government generally, an overwhelming number from both parties are saying that a government stimulus package -- even a flawed one -- is urgently needed to help prevent a steeper slide in the economy." The Post continued:
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cinphi
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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2009, 12:53:01 AM » |
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Sounds like fear tactics to me rather certain folks choose to deny it or not.
Funny how that double standard thing goes.
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lidarkside
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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2009, 12:55:46 AM » |
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Here's the big question.
Will it work?
Of course not! They have to create this so-called money out of thin air. For an economy to succeed, there has to be something of value backing our monetary system; and there isn't anything. That's one of the main reasons for the economy to crash. Once again, they're going to dump more funny money into circulation. That can only make things worse. There's far too much worthless paper and coins in circulation. The front page of our newspaper this morning stated that there's a rush of upper-income people selling off their gold and silver. This is just another sign of things to come.
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cinphi
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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2009, 12:59:09 AM » |
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I have to agree with you dark and even if this funny money were to stimulate anything it's not going to happen for a couple years. So in the meantime what do people do? I think the best thing to do is to let the economy fix itself. It tends to do that by going in cycles.
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2009, 01:04:20 AM » |
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I have to agree with you dark and even if this funny money were to stimulate anything it's not going to happen for a couple years. So in the meantime what do people do? I think the best thing to do is to let the economy fix itself. It tends to do that by going in cycles.
People will continue to lose their jobs, lose their homes, lose everything to the point that they will be begging the government to help them giving the government even more control over society. Sounds like a plan, doesn't it?!
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cinphi
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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2009, 01:10:02 AM » |
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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/economic_stimulus_package/48_say_increased_government_spending_hurts_economyForty-eight percent (48%) of U.S. voters say that, generally speaking, increased government spending is bad for the economy.
Thirty-five percent (35%) believe more government spending will help the economy, and seven percent (7%) say it’s likely to have no impact, according to the latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 44% of Americans agree with Obama and 41% do not.
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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2009, 01:17:13 AM » |
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I have to agree with you dark and even if this funny money were to stimulate anything it's not going to happen for a couple years. So in the meantime what do people do? I think the best thing to do is to let the economy fix itself. It tends to do that by going in cycles.
People will continue to lose their jobs, lose their homes, lose everything to the point that they will be begging the government to help them giving the government even more control over society. Sounds like a plan, doesn't it?! Sounds like reality.
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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2009, 01:34:10 AM » |
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While we're on the topic, what's the stimulus plan going to do for the homeless?! 
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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2009, 01:43:31 AM » |
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While we're on the topic, what's the stimulus plan going to do for the homeless?!  Good question.  Maybe it will stimulate them to go down to the wellfare office and signup for that check.
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« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2009, 01:45:44 AM » |
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Good question.  Maybe it will stimulate them to go down to the wellfare office and signup for that check. That's all fine and dandy if they had an actual address to send it to! 
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« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2009, 01:47:51 AM » |
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Food for thought, each space shuttle flight costs approximately $1.3 billion.
Cut the program. I don't benefit from it and don't see the use in it. We have enough problems here on earth!
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« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2009, 01:48:01 AM » |
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 I saw a homeless couple standing under a bridge the other day. This spot is one of the favorites for homeless people. I never hand them money but I have given them food.
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« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2009, 01:49:55 AM » |
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Food for thought, each space shuttle flight costs approximately $1.3 billion.
Cut the program. I don't benefit from it and don't see the use in it. We have enough problems here on earth!
That wasn't in the stimulus/spending package it can't be cut 
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« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2009, 01:53:38 AM » |
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 I saw a homeless couple standing under a bridge the other day. This spot is one of the favorites for homeless people. I never hand them money but I have given them food. It's shameful how the government spends, spends, spends and does nothing for the homeless. Whenever the President or any dignitaries comes into the city, they round up the homeless and stash them away in the shelters. Just like picking up the trash! 
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« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2009, 01:57:18 AM » |
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 I saw a homeless couple standing under a bridge the other day. This spot is one of the favorites for homeless people. I never hand them money but I have given them food. It's shameful how the government spends, spends, spends and does nothing for the homeless. Whenever the President or any dignitaries comes into the city, they round up the homeless and stash them away in the shelters. Just like picking up the trash!  It's really sad isn't it. I know there are a lot of scammers out there but there are also a lot of people on the streets who really could use some help. That's where charitable organizations have been wonderful.
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« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2009, 02:09:22 AM » |
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U.S. Taxpayers Risk $9.7 Trillion on Bailouts as Senate Votes
By Mark Pittman and Bob Ivry
Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- The stimulus package the U.S. Congress is completing would raise the government’s commitment to solving the financial crisis to $9.7 trillion, enough to pay off more than 90 percent of the nation’s home mortgages.
The Federal Reserve, Treasury Department and Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation have lent or spent almost $3 trillion over the past two years and pledged to provide up to $5.7 trillion more if needed. The total already tapped has decreased about 1 percent since November, mostly because foreign central banks are using fewer dollars in currency-exchange agreements called swaps. The Senate is to vote early this week on a stimulus package totaling at least $780 billion that President Barack Obama says is needed to avert a deeper recession. That measure would need to be reconciled with an $819 billion plan the House approved last month.
Only the stimulus package to be approved this week, the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program passed four months ago and $168 billion in tax cuts and rebates approved in 2008 have been voted on by lawmakers. The remaining $8 trillion in commitments are lending programs and guarantees, almost all under the authority of the Fed and the FDIC. The recipients’ names have not been disclosed.
“We’ve seen money go out the back door of this government unlike any time in the history of our country,” Senator Byron Dorgan, a North Dakota Democrat, said on the Senate floor Feb. 3. “Nobody knows what went out of the Federal Reserve Board, to whom and for what purpose. How much from the FDIC? How much from TARP? When? Why?”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=aGq2B3XeGKokA little more info.
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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2009, 02:17:23 AM » |
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That's where charitable organizations have been wonderful.
It doesn't appear that way in New York City. It's absolutely horrible how many homeless are on the streets there--even vets in wheelchairs who've lost their legs.  With all of the government's unethical spending, they could afford to get the homeless their own homes. It would be a win-win situation for them too--more taxpayers to rape dry! 
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cinphi
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« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2009, 02:40:28 AM » |
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That's where charitable organizations have been wonderful.
It doesn't appear that way in New York City. It's absolutely horrible how many homeless are on the streets there--even vets in wheelchairs who've lost their legs.  With all of the government's unethical spending, they could afford to get the homeless their own homes. It would be a win-win situation for them too--more taxpayers to rape dry!  That's really a shame. I'm all for helping our vets.
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« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2009, 02:53:19 AM » |
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On the "Cross Bronx" highway, there are the same two emaciated homeless men in the narrow shoulder by the concrete divider with signs asking for food.
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