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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2010, 12:03:03 AM » |
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I heard about this on the radio. They are going too far now. Seems like rather than profile a few likely suspects they are going to punish everyone else. This administration is really pushing people every which way.
Remember when it was fun to fly?
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2010, 12:12:36 AM » |
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If people will accept this from our government, they will accept anything!  So, I view this as a tool of control. I watched a lot of videos the past two days taken in airports. I saw one where the TSA agent was groping a two-year-old boy in the groin while the mother just sat there and watched! What kind of parent does that? So, now we should tell our children it's not okay for someone to touch their privates unless they are a government agent?! I hope people wake up before it's too late. If this is just let go, we have got nothing left!
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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2010, 05:38:51 AM » |
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One answer for you. Start walking. I myself, applaud the fact that nobody gets on with explosives. It's called piece of mind.
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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2010, 05:52:28 AM » |
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One answer for you. Start walking. I myself, applaud the fact that nobody gets on with explosives. It's called piece of mind.
This type of security does nothing to prevent terrorism/bombers. Ever since the TSA has implemented more and more security measures since 9/11 more than 20 threats have been thwarted, and not by the TSA. These people were able to pass right through security with no problem. Some even not right in the head and/or drugged up got right on through. It was passengers who prevented disaster not the TSA. These acts of security by the TSA have absolutely nothing to do with stopping terrorism and everything to do with creating a controlled and obedient populous. Last year, there was the "Butt Bomber". Are you open to have someone search up your butt in the name of so-called security? Most people aren't nor are most people okay with being viewed naked, having their genitals and breasts squeezed and fondled. That's just sick! ...and terrorists don't have to bomb anything to accomplish what they set out to do and that's simply spread terror and fear in people. If some people have that much fear to undergo and accept such an invasive and disgusting procedures in the name of security, then the terrorists have done their job, and rights and freedoms vanish!  "Those Who Sacrifice Liberty for Security Deserve Neither."--Benjamin Franklin
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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2010, 07:16:09 AM » |
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The first thing I thought of when I heard about the latest screening procedures was, eventhough they do background checks on the screeners, how many closet sickos are now going to be applying for the screener jobs? I don't even allow my husband to fondle me in public, but now I am supposed to allow a complete stranger do it? I agree with lidarkside ... how much of this is being done as a safety measure and not just a matter of governmental control, over our lives and now our bodies! Perhaps I will have to start walking as reright suggested, but being fondled in public or seen naked by the screeners is beyond what I feel I should have to endure. Before we know it there will be a photo of a celebrity screening by xray published in one of the celebrity news magazines and we will all see how "the images are not stored".
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« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2010, 07:30:17 AM » |
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There's already been about 35,000 body images leaked to the internet from one of these porn scanners in a Georgia courthouse. Bringing up the ethics of the employees doing this, no person of morals would ever agree to do this as part of their job. So, that just leaves....I hate to think of what that leaves; but there's already horror stories of that out now. The pat downs of fondling, squeezing, and feeling up is an intimidation process to force people into accepting stepping into the porn scanners and be radiated. It's immoral to touch other people like this or to allow other people, other than your spouse or doctor, to touch those areas. ...and I don't understand these parents also allowing their children to be felt up like this. With past arrests of TSA employees and loose background checks if any, a pedophile could be feeling up children for all anyone knows. What about rape victims who have to endure this which has already come out. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/6013874/tsa_sexual_molestation_run_amok.html
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2010, 09:38:48 PM » |
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You have a choice NOT to fly. Use it !!! I myself will be on the plane.
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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2010, 01:00:01 AM » |
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You have a choice NOT to fly. Use it !!! I myself will be on the plane.
You have the choice TO fly! I myself will NOT be on the plane! And before someone starts, my choice to not fly is NOT because I have something to hide. People have been brained washed to think that if we don't want our privacy invaded, and now our bodies molested in public by complete strangers, we have something to hide. This is the attitude the government wants us to have as to better control every facet of our lives. So, those who don't mind being groped in public can have my seat on the plane.
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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2010, 01:34:40 AM » |
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I think you will find more compliance with the younger generation, because they have been using more and more conditioning tools in public schools through the years in order to create a controlled society. So, younger people are the least likely to question anything and go along with the "group think".
It's not only sad but frightening to think that anyone would allow such treatment not only for themselves but for their spouses and children. If a parent allowed a guest in their home to grope their child, they would have their children taken away; but like drones they will comply if the government tells them that they have to let them do it.
It is not a choice to fly or not to fly in a free society. It's a choice that I want to fly without being stripped of my rights, freedoms, liberties, and dignity.
...and it is the demise of this country as it was founded when people decide to "choose" to give up same!
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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2010, 01:40:12 AM » |
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Does anyone in their right mind think this is okay? The TSA pedophile even had his hands on the inside of the child's pants! Absolutely sickening! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSQTz1bccL4Notice how the two other TSA agents stand there. Like the gestapo! 
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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2010, 03:39:49 AM » |
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This works so well for me. I fly stand by all the time and now there will be a lot of empty seats 
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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2010, 03:59:32 AM » |
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I'm speechless!  Very, very frightening attitude!  Our forefathers must be rolling in their graves right now!
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« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2010, 05:26:32 AM » |
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I'm speechless as well.
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« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2010, 05:56:38 AM » |
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There are more than two sides to a good argument/discussion, and you all have expressed your freedom of speech and covered the main points.
I think you should agree to disagree now.
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« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2010, 07:44:45 AM » |
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I think you should agree to disagree now.
Are you saying 'nuff said?  We could beat a dead horse over this and those who think it is OK to molest people in public and those who don't think that way will never agree, 'nuff said! 
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« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2010, 08:20:40 AM » |
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I think you should agree to disagree now.
Are you saying 'nuff said?  We could beat a dead horse over this and those who think it is OK to molest people in public and those who don't think that way will never agree, 'nuff said!  You got it!  Let's sweep and win! 
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« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2010, 09:00:36 AM » |
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Let's sweep and win!  Sweep I have been doing, win .... not so much lately!  GLA
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« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2010, 10:29:43 AM » |
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http://www.mountainhomenews.com/blogs/1290/entry/38376What is happening to us, to our country, especially now, is not to be taken lightly, ignored, or swept under the carpet. ...and I pray everyone understands this. This is an extremely serious, serious situation in this country right now! http://freestudents.blogspot.com/2010/11/tsa-agents-upset-public-doesnt-like.htmlhttp://www.naplesnews.com/blogs/observation_post/2010/nov/21/tsa2entry/
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« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2010, 09:24:05 AM » |
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I am afraid that I have to agree with lidarkside – 100%. Nine years ago I made it a point to fly every chance I got to support the airports and my country after the tragedy. However, my support quickly morphed into disbelief.
Fearsgirl you are now welcome to my seat on the plane. As an ex-law enforcement person, I can tell you that over 80% of the pat-downs I have seen, have been done incorrectly by untrained individuals. I still see this on the television coverage on the subject.
They are not trained professionals. A pat-down should be a “pat-down;” most of the ones the TSA do, the agent quickly runs their hands up and down body parts. There is not methodical sectioning of the body – top-right / top-left; middle; bottom-right/ bottom left – it is not a pat-down.
However, if you feel safer . . . . I guess that is good; but it is not a reality. Here is a clue – how many TSA agent have you seen pat down an individual’s hair. You have any idea how much you can hide in your hair?
In the recent video of the shirtless eight-year-old boy; it shows how the TSA agent fails to use his reason, his brain, his training??? Why would you touch “pat down” a shirtless boy? Do you think he is hiding some under his skin? The agent should have visually scanned the boy’s upper body and finished his pat-down of the child’s lower body.
I use to fly at least once a month – this year I have driven everywhere I need to go. I also skipped a race in Iowa because it was to far for me to drive. No one touches me and I can take what I want. On top of that it is cheaper! So that is my choice; but what a shame that as an American I have been made to feel that flying is now a punishment.
Oh lastly, I won a trip to London last year. The security at Heathrow was so much different. The agents there were very kind and helpful. There were no lines, nor pat-downs. Last I heard nobody blew up the place.
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« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2010, 09:34:12 AM » |
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Also, if you check how the Israeli's, the most targeted by terrorists and having the safest airports in the world, do it check this out (no porn scans or molestations): http://online.wsj.com/video/how-israel-screens-for-terrorists/987D025A-145D-42F5-9756-7B43CC7613CE.htmlAlso, keep in mind the following facts: "And by "contradictory," here's some blockbuster news: Although the x-ray and metal detector rigmarole is mandatory for pilots and flight attendants, many other airport workers, including those with regular access to aircraft--to cabins, ...cockpits, galleys, and freight compartments--are exempt. That's correct. Uniformed pilots cannot carry butter knives onto an airplane, yet apron workers and contract ground support staff--cargo loaders, baggage handlers, fuelers, cabin cleaners, caterers--can, as a matter of routine, bypass TSA inspection entirely." ...and let's not forget that a pilot can simply crash the plane into the ground. http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=40154http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=2919http://www.paul.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1797:fighting-tsa-abuse&catid=31:texas-straight-talkhttp://spectator.org/archives/2010/11/23/disband-the-tsahttp://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1925
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