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« on: August 11, 2008, 09:29:07 AM » |
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No wonder children come to dislike school and even the drop out rates are higher. You spring a completely new curriculum on the entire school and send home boat loads of homework that takes nearly the entire rest of the day to complete when they already spent time at school from 7:40-3:30 and THEN you aren't clear on exactly what they are suppose to do on the homework. Oh, and not sending home required books to complete homework and then the children get into trouble for not completing the pages? Come on now, do they really need this much work? At least be clear with exactly what you want them to do and send instructions!  Off to try and go through this mystery homework again with the both of them.
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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2008, 09:35:00 AM » |
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Off to try and go through this mystery homework again with the both of them.
If you could give me some idea about the book involved... Maybe at least part of the text is online?  Be glad to try to help, anyway 
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2008, 10:28:02 AM » |
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Thank you but, for example, she didn't tell my daughter exactly what she wanted done with spelling, vocabulary, etc. Then, the book needed is password protected if you look online for help and she hasn't given the passwords out yet. She could have at least either given a password or sent the book home to answer the 3 questions on the top of her math paper correctly.
My son, he is just loaded with homework and I haven't gotten to his yet. Just finished DD's, whew.
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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2008, 11:48:45 AM » |
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OMG, Miki, there too?! That is the only part of school that drives me crazy. You nailed it to a T! New cirriculum, not allowing them to bring home school books even though you pay school fees, and tons and tons of homework. I thank my lucky stars that my sons are able to make do and keep up for the most part or they'd be left behind to fail. I can't tell you how many times a year I have to google homework stuff and I was a great student who knew my stuff! When they get sick and have to be home I panic. I'm afraid they miss will how to do a new concept or have a boatload of reading and chapter questions. stinks.
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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2008, 12:35:55 PM » |
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I so know what you mean! Bedtime here is 8 on school nights and my son is STILL doing homework. This really ticks me off. 
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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2008, 02:44:44 PM » |
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Yeah, that's BS! And the first week of school to boot! Is the teacher on crack? Why in the world would she give that much hw?
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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2008, 02:49:17 PM » |
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You nailed it to a T! New cirriculum, not allowing them to bring home school books even though you pay school fees, and tons and tons of homework.
are these private schools? I never knew schools had fees? I sure hope not.
Btw kaileys going to kindergarden. Ahhh my babys growing up lol. And my mil and fil want to come with us the first day of school. I wish they wouldn't. But oh well.
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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2008, 02:53:22 PM » |
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Nope, tiff, public school. It's $35 a piece for both boys and we just got nailed with football fees and pics too. I just went school shopping yesterday and today. I'm broke and pissed.
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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2008, 02:59:27 PM » |
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Nope, tiff, public school. It's $35 a piece for both boys and we just got nailed with football fees and pics too. I just went school shopping yesterday and today. I'm broke and pissed.
Wierd. Fees for what? Books? I thought those were free? I guess its cause your kids are older. Wow I've been out of school for a while now. 6 years.
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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2008, 03:18:38 PM » |
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I don't pay fee's unless it's for sports, booster (PTA), etc. and believe me...they are always trying to sell or get $$ for something. I have to provide all materials and extra classroom supplies (paper towels, kleenex, hand sanitizer, etc.)
My son wants to play baseball but, that is not until Feb. and it's not through the school but, it will be $100 plus pics. He doesn't get to play on the school teams until next year since he is only in 5th grade.
I have my booster/pta money sitting on the shelf. I'm joining this year and they will hear everything I have to say too. The fundraisers are also something I cannot sell. They are those catalogs with over inflated items in there. I don't have anyone here I could sell to, if they did candy bars those would sell.
I love the school, don't get me wrong but, I get a little peeved at some of the things.
What I don't understand about this new curr. is that they are teaching things to the kids that I didn't even learn until high school. The kids are too far behind to learn this stuff so fast!
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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2008, 03:25:06 PM » |
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I don't pay fee's unless it's for sports, booster (PTA), etc. and believe me...they are always trying to sell or get $$ for something. I have to provide all materials and extra classroom supplies (paper towels, kleenex, hand sanitizer, etc.)
What I don't understand about this new curr. is that they are teaching things to the kids that I didn't even learn until high school. The kids are too far behind to learn this stuff so fast!
We have to provide those too. Kaileys kindergarden list looks more like a teachers supply list. SaNTIZER, BABY WIPES, kleenex, etc. And the other thing is, most adults forgot some of the school work, so they can't even help thier kids. They say kindergardeners need to know how to read, etc. I remeber nap time, play doh, recess, in kindergarden. Hmm.
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2008, 12:30:43 AM » |
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We've always had school fees for the boys. We buy their supplies too! I was asking hubby what exactly do these school fees cover. He said the fees are to help with getting new books, stuff for the school, etc. OK, but I thought public school was free? Hubby shrugs shoulders. One year I tried not paying them all school year  Kids didn't get their grade cards until the fees were paid. Never did that again. Oh, and don't forget to have enough lunch money on tab. If you're even short for one day they make the kids eat peanut butter and jelly. No charging, no nothing.
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2008, 01:20:46 AM » |
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We've always had school fees for the boys. We buy their supplies too! I was asking hubby what exactly do these school fees cover. He said the fees are to help with getting new books, stuff for the school, etc. OK, but I thought public school was free? Hubby shrugs shoulders. One year I tried not paying them all school year  Kids didn't get their grade cards until the fees were paid. Never did that again. Oh, and don't forget to have enough lunch money on tab. If you're even short for one day they make the kids eat peanut butter and jelly. No charging, no nothing. I think our kids go to the same school.  I have to pay 155.00 for "book fees".. I also tried not paying and they wouldnt give me their report cards so I paid.. They still kept my daughters though because of some form that wasnt filled out by the dentist that I didnt know about until the last week of school.  we also pay for the kids to ride the bus 40.00 a month. They dont let the kids charge lunch either. Its crazy. They nickle and dime ya to death. oh, PE uniforms we gotta buy at 15.00 a kid.. school supplies.... And the homework.. OMG! I hate it. I cant help them with the math. I cant. And they just pile it on. on day my daughter brought home 16 pages of math, front & back.. She did about 9 pages and I told her she didnt have to do the rest. She would have been up all night and thats not going to happen.
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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2008, 02:13:08 AM » |
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Oh, and don't forget to have enough lunch money on tab. If you're even short for one day they make the kids eat peanut butter and jelly. No charging, no nothing.
Now I remeber that from back when I was in school. And the wierd thing is, they would freeze the sandwiches.
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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2008, 02:54:03 AM » |
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I was actually thinking about you after I posted, Trace. You get hit WAY harder than any parent I know! $40 to ride tha darn bus  Outrageous school fees  And you have to buy PE unis? I'd be livid and broke  I just shelled out $30 for football pics today and had to pay $20 last week for a practice jersey the school supplies the kids. I asked if he could use a jersey from home and they said no. No explanation, just no. I asked why and the lady said because all of the boys have to match. It's a practice jersey FFS! They ain't playin' in them! I merely said okie dokie, got off the phone and threw it out the window. When I calmed down and became more rational I realized that I'd pay just about whatever when it comes to the boys playing sports. I just couldn't get over the fact that they wanted $20 for a jersey that the boy won't even be playing in. He will simply run around and hit things in it. And he had a perfectly good one at home and even had the same color scheme as the one I had to pay for. Yeah, the nickel and diming parents to death gets old. Either that or I'm gettin' cheap.
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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2008, 01:57:29 PM » |
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 If the kids can't bring home their school books, how are they to study for tests and do homework? Not all families have computers and internet access, if the text is on line. And of those that do have computers and internet access, very few would have a computer per child. So how do you decide who gets the computer and when and for how long. What if more than one child has gobs of homework? My grandkids schools aren't the way you have described and it is a good thing cause one only has dial up access and the others certainly couldn't afford a computer per child, the router etc necessary to allow more than one computer on line at a time. School is certainly different than when I or my kids went. Sorry you guys are having so many problems. I think I would probably in jail for murdering the superintendent, principal and teachers. Good Luck!!
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« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2008, 02:00:47 AM » |
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diedramizer, my oldest is in junior high and he only has a few teachers that have done this since he's been in jh. The students are required to save all hand-outs and take notes that the teachers write on the board. While that helps, sometimes my son would like to go back over what they read in class that day from the book and it gets frustrating that he can't bring it/them home.
Last year he had an assignment where they had to pick a topic and do a detailed report on it. The internet was supposed to be the main source from where they gathered their info. The teacher actually sent home a note saying if parents didn't have one the kids needed to go to the library. I thought that was kinda crappy. Who cares where they get their info as long as they get it, right? We live in the middle of nowhere. Our schools and where most of the other kids live is even further out. They have an itty bitty library with one computer. Now tell me how that's supposed to work!
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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2008, 05:34:05 AM » |
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Mikki: We are in school just down the road from you guys and I am so over all these fees already. It's only the fourth day of school. I had to buy a TI83 calculator that cost me $100.00 bucks! This is for a 12 year old mind you! Wow, maybe they will be building space ships in class, who knows. Both my daughers made the dance team and that came up to a grand total of $4,000.00. And no, that is not a typo - $4,000.00. And if they make it to Nationals in Orlando, FL it will be even more! Oh just shoot me now. Maybe they are just trying to warm us up for what it will be like when they go to college.
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« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2008, 06:39:37 AM » |
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And people wonder why our kids rank so low against the world in math and science. This is a prime example of being penny wise and pound foolish.
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« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2008, 07:59:36 AM » |
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Okay ~ do any of you guy have a sbdm council? If so you might want to go to a meeting. Parents have a right to voice your opinion on such things as homework and school supply lists! You do not have a choice on school fees and school bus fees ~ they will be mandated by the district so you have to take them up at a district level.
I worked with the SBDM council for 5 years and I worked as a Parent rep! One of the big things I did was make sure that we kept all of our school supply list to under $25 dollars. The teacher could ask for wipes, erasers or whatever, but if that list went over that amount then they had to split it up between the kids somehow to bring that price back down. They also had the option to put a wish list on there that the parents could get if they wanted to ~ no pressure, just a option. Parents LOVED it! We made the lists available at the end of school year so the parents also had all summer to get all supplies in case they had more than one child ~ whatever to make it easier...
As for homework ~ each school should have a homework policy written in their bylaws and available to parents ~ ask to see it. It should have a time limit set of how much homework in minutes a child by grade level can have a night. This can vary a little per child, but it is a guideline ~ I think this is a mandate in all 50 states now. If your child's teacher is going over this they can lose their job. A quick little call letting the teacher know that you know the guideline will probably do the trick without anymore trouble!
Even though you can't change the fees, schools have to give you amble time to pay. If you can't pay by the first grade card due to having more than one child in school, go to the school and let them know ~ I don't believe that they can withhold the grade cards in that case. You have to be made aware of your child's progress.
Why does school have to be a headache for the parents? We don't have school fees, but Caitlyn already has two fieldtrips lined up, plus football fees, plus I paid for pictures today that she hasn't even gotten made ~ that kills me! What if she is sick...I think it is a bad policy to pay for pictures ahead of time! They will see one 'bigger than a size 12 woman' having a hissy fit if something happens and I don't like these pictures for some reason!!
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« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2008, 08:08:56 AM » |
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I had to get my son one of those scientific calculators also and he will be 11 next month. My mom surprised me with that one though, she sent us one that he can even use in Jr. high (next year) and maybe high school. I received a list before school let out last year and picked up most of the supplies through the summer. You know what I heard today while going to get my car? (It's been stuck in another town since the weekend), I was told they are trying to pass a law where the kids are in school 10 hours a day 4 days a week and out on Fridays to save gas. Hmmm, ok so where is the parent time and where is the time to even do the homework? I really hope this doesn't pass. I love the school, I really do but, these extra costs and such really do add up and the homework thing is just insane sometimes. My son wants to be in baseball when sign up comes and I'm hoping to do that. My daughter wants to join Cheerleading but, for her age I think I can sign her up for around $60 for classes when the papers come home. I'm not sure how much sports cost in Jr. high yet, which out here 6th grade is jr. high. Since my son is in 5th, I'll sign him up with the local leagues. I guess I should just be grateful that my children have a school to go to for an education. fearsgirl, I don't know how you are going to do it. $4k is a LOT of money and wayyyy out of my budget. Good luck!! colleenjudge Insert Quote And people wonder why our kids rank so low against the world in math and science. This is a prime example of being penny wise and pound foolish. I don't quite understand, do you mean the parents or the schools?
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« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2008, 08:19:10 AM » |
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You know what I heard today while going to get my car? (It's been stuck in another town since the weekend), I was told they are trying to pass a law where the kids are in school 10 hours a day 4 days a week and out on Fridays to save gas. Hmmm, ok so where is the parent time and where is the time to even do the homework? I really hope this doesn't pass.
I know that a lot of school districts are discussing this but there is one thing that is holding them up and that is the bus drivers and cafeteria workers ~ if they go to a 4 day week there is no way for them to get their 40 hours in for the full time workers and they can't afford to lose their managers and such. That is the only reason that we haven't went 4 days around here. Hopefully gas will keep on going down, or I am afraid that more districts will start doing like Traceys is ~ charging to let the kids ride the bus!
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« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2008, 08:30:26 AM » |
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Hey Ping!
The teachers do send home a homework guideline paper at the beginning of school. It doesn't detail the minutes but it does let me know on what days to expect homework.
As far as a council I don't know. Is that kinda like a PTA?
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« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2008, 08:49:30 AM » |
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Hey Ping!
As far as a council I don't know. Is that kinda like a PTA?
Nothing at all ~ each council is made up of the principal, teachers, and parents and it is their duty to do what is best for the KIDS. That is what the main objective is really about, but some get carried away and make it about the wrong things all together. That is why you have homework guidelines. Each council meets on a certain day each month and it is open to the public that always have a time to voice their opinion. You also have the right to call the parent rep. and tell them your opinion and find out what is going on. All meeting minutes are available to the public. I would almost bet that your school has one being that you are so close to me...changes can be made, but it may take time. All the parents have to do is ban together and really get involved. It might not be easy, but it would be worth it!
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« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2008, 10:24:05 AM » |
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I am joining the PTA/Booster club and it's really inexpensive. I want to be more involved and hopefully help make a few changes in the future. My grandmother was president of the PTA in the 50's and 60's at my elementary/Jr high school and I have her scrapbook, it is an amazing piece of school history, I love it!
If they start doing bus fee's, I'll probably drive my kids to school. We are in the country but, I can't afford $40 per child or more a month on top of all our other bills and expenses that keep coming up. I think the fee's are a bit high anyways for the gasoline costs, if you think about it and add up all of the children who are dropped off in the same area, where is that extra money going if not for gas? We do have to pay for the field trips and the bus drivers pay for those field trips. I don't mind those much, it doesn't cost a lot. Usually around $10-$15 a child to attend the event and pay the drivers/gas.
I need to drive to town tomorrow, my son has a project due on Friday that requires a posterboard. Too bad they didn't sell those at the school, they do sell everything else. I live around 20-25 miles from town, that is a lot of gas just for a posterboard. If I remembered, I could have picked one up today when I went to get my car so I am kicking myself now, lol.
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