Christian Parental Warning

ping1970

ping1970

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The Golden Compass movie is going to be release in December and is targeted toward kids. This movie stars Nicole Kidman and has anti-religious themes as well as an ending where the children kill God.

I feel that it is very important to get the word out about this movie ahead of time to warn people of its content. Many parents will take their kids to see this movie never knowing what it is really about until it is to late. As a Christian, I find this very offensive. I also felt that I had to do something to protect my children as well as others. Please pass this on to your friends and family.

The Snopes link follows listing the movie and the book link as well as the book's author and why he wrote such a hateful set of books.

http://snopes.com/politics/religion/compass.asp

Please feel free to copy and send this on to others that you think will find it helpful.

Tammy
 
I saw the trailer awhile ago and was intrigued. I'm a big sc-fi/fantasy reader and somehow missed these books!!! :scratch:

I decided to look up the author Philip Pullman:

His Dark Materials

His Dark Materials consists of Northern Lights (titled The Golden Compass in North America), The Subtle Knife and The Amber Spyglass (see also a short companion piece, Lyra's Oxford, containing items of interest and a short story, as well as the yet-unpublished sequel, The Book of Dust ).

The first volume of the trilogy, Northern Lights, won the Carnegie Medal for children's fiction in the UK in 1995. The Amber Spyglass, the last volume, was awarded both 2001 Whitbread Prize for best children's book and the Whitbread Book of the Year prize in January 2002, the first children's book to receive that award. The trilogy won popular acclaim in late 2003, taking third place in the BBC's Big Read poll.

In 2005 Pullman was announced as joint winner of the Astrid Lindgren Memorial Award for children's literature.


Religious perspective

Pullman is a supporter of the British Humanist Association and an Honorary Associate of the National Secular Society

British Humanist Association

The British Humanist Association is an organisation of the United Kingdom which promotes Humanism. The BHA is committed to secularism, human rights, democracy, equality and mutual respect. It works for an open and inclusive society with freedom of belief and speech, and for an end to the privileged position of religion in law, education, broadcasting and wherever else it occurs.

The BHA is the foremost provider of humanist and non-religious ceremonies in England & Wales, maintaining a national network of accredited officiants. This network offer humanist wedding/civil partnership celebration, humanist baby naming and humanist funeral ceremonies, linked to the rites of passage.

The BHA is a member organisation of the International Humanist and Ethical Union. The official symbol of the BHA is the Happy Human.

The British Humanist Association was founded in 1896 by American Stanton Coit as the Union of Ethical Societies, which brought together existing ethical societies in Britain.

National Secular Society

Under the banner "challenging religious privilege," the society campaigns for: the disestablishment of the Church of England; the withdrawal of state subsidies to religious schools; the end of tax exemption for churches; the abolition of the blasphemy law; and an end to the public funding of chaplains in prisons, hospitals and the armed services.

Although the organisation was explicitly created for those who reject the supernatural, the NSS does not campaign for an end to religion, arguing that freedom of religion is a human right and that state sponsorship of selected religions encroaches upon that right.

In seeking to represent the interests and viewpoints of atheists, the NSS is often critical of what it sees as the damaging effects of religion.
 
Ive got a different take on this movie. Im very liberal with what I let my two oldest watch. for me its a way to talk to them about things. to teach them. Its so hard with the distractions of friends, tv and video games to have an open, honest discussion of things. I will let them watch this. I will answer any questions they have and reiterate what I believe. Take the movie 300 for example. yes its bloody and violent but I let my two oldest watch it. when It was over they wanted to know what really happened. the real story of the 300. We went online and they learned and about it. It was great to see them wanting to learn something. They would never in a million years have come to me and said hey, I want to learn about sparta without watching the movie. It works for us.
 
I understand that way also. I just can't do that though. I can't give my money to that man. I will explain it to my kids at home. Caitlyn HAD to read the book in 6th grade. She didn't even know what it was about and I didn't either. We had a discussion about it the other night. I also will have a discussion about it with Ashelyn next year as she will also be in 6th grade.

I was always able to watch or read anything that I wanted to and I'm not sure that it is the way for kids to be brought up. I know my parents loved me, but I was the baby and I got away with murder. I want more of a happy medium ~ more age approiate I guess.
 
If you take a closer look, you'll see there's more anti-christian messages and teachings all around us. There are many, many more children's movies out there that are anti-christian; also, children's shows on tv, the public schools, books, etc.
 
In the spirit of the Enlightenment, I quote Thomas Jefferson in the hope that you will encourage your children (and yourselves) to learn, disseminate and fear no dissenting opinion of your sacred beliefs:

"Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear."

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
 
heartofgold; said:
sweepyhead said:
In the spirit of the Enlightenment, I quote Thomas Jefferson in the hope that you will encourage your children (and yourselves) to learn, disseminate and fear no dissenting opinion of your sacred beliefs:

"Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear."

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
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While Thomas Jefferson is considered to be a great man in our country's history, it does NOT mean that his views were right or correct.

I could sit here all day and post quotes by other great men, to the contrary.

Not trying to start a debate - just stating the obvious.

God Bless! :sunny:
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He's saying don't let others do your thinking for you, something I believe. This country was established by people who thought freely and dared to dissent. I'm not debating, only giving an intelligent opinion.
 
3mnkids1 said:
Ive got a different take on this movie. Im very liberal with what I let my two oldest watch. for me its a way to talk to them about things. to teach them. Its so hard with the distractions of friends, tv and video games to have an open, honest discussion of things. I will let them watch this. I will answer any questions they have and reiterate what I believe. Take the movie 300 for example. yes its bloody and violent but I let my two oldest watch it. when It was over they wanted to know what really happened. the real story of the 300. We went online and they learned and about it. It was great to see them wanting to learn something. They would never in a million years have come to me and said hey, I want to learn about sparta without watching the movie. It works for us.
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That's wonderful 3mnkids1!!! You are teaching your kids to utilize critical thinking - that's never a bad thing!!! :headbang:
 
ping1970 said:
I understand that way also. I just can't do that though. I can't give my money to that man. I will explain it to my kids at home. Caitlyn HAD to read the book in 6th grade. She didn't even know what it was about and I didn't either. We had a discussion about it the other night. I also will have a discussion about it with Ashelyn next year as she will also be in 6th grade.

I was always able to watch or read anything that I wanted to and I'm not sure that it is the way for kids to be brought up. I know my parents loved me, but I was the baby and I got away with murder. I want more of a happy medium ~ more age approiate I guess.
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Im sorry if my post upset you. :love: I understand what you are saying. I think its wonderful that you can sit down and talk to them. Mine arent that way. They get bored and dont want to listen so I had to think of another way. It really started because the crap they were picking up from their friends at school. how can I compete with them. Im old and dont know anything :laughing: I dont let them watch anything they want but if I think they can learn something or we can have a back and forth conversation I will let them. I couldnt believe some of the stuff their friends were telling them. One kid told my daughter the holocaust never happened. well, I was done after that. I can talk till im blue in the face but a visual works better. I let her watch schindler's list. It was upsetting for her but she learned something. That movie made her understand more than my words ever could. kids now days have so much media shoved down their throats and most of its not good. Im just trying to use it to my advantage. again, sorry if I upset you. I wasnt disagreeing with you at all. All parents should be award of what their kids are watching.
 
I would take my kids to where it happened anyday. I don't what it is about walking in the place where history has happened ~ it is like the earth is still crying out for the souls that died there or something. I talk to my kids about anything and they know that, but I just have a problem with opening up and not knowing what is coming up on the screen. I can control what is coming out of my mouth ~ most of the time!!

I appreciate hearing how you handle things with your kids and I am glad that it works with yours. Mine just can't handle that yet, they are just to immature, or maybe that is me!! I would never put down the way you handle your kids though, it is working well for you!! Keep up the good work!
 
LIDARKSIDE said:
If you take a closer look, you'll see there's more anti-christian messages and teachings all around us. There are many, many more children's movies out there that are anti-christian; also, children's shows on tv, the public schools, books, etc.
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Public schools are not intended to give any kind of religious or moral instruction. There is a seperation between church and state AND a freedom of religion in this country. As a parent it is your prerogative to choose religious education be it through a private/parochial school or through things such as "sunday school", confirmation, hebrew school etc.

Also remember that many books (i don't know the details about this particular book/movie) are intended to be FICTION. Teach your kids the different between fact and fiction. It's not harmful for them to have an imagination...Imagination is the seed of invention and technology.

I think its important to teach children not only tolerance for different views (religious and otherwise) but respect. Without respect, the world will only have room for chaos and conflict and not love.
 
I do teach my children respect and tolerance. They have been taught that since the day they were born. I wasn't brought up like that ~ I love my parents dearly, but they were very much intolerant with their views. I am lucky that I believe like I do.

I worked in the elementary school and we were not able to talk able religion ~ but if you act as you believe kids will under more than you know. I learned every child's name and addressed them by it. I treated them with respect and they knew what I expected out of them. They also knew when they had stepped over the line.

All kids deserve love and respect. They cannot help the environment that they grow up in. You never know what they are going through at home and what your kind words could mean to them. "My kids" still come up to me in the halls and hug me when they see me. I am so glad that I was able to give them a smile.

I hope that is some of the tolerance that you speak of ~ I try to love without question. When I question, I try to pray for the answer. Just because I am against this movie doesn't make me against mankind ~ I try to love all. I have met so many friends on the internet and all of them have different beliefs. One of my good friends is a Wiccan. I don't understand her beliefs, but she is still my friend. I respect her. I will not try to push my beliefs on her, nor her on me. We can be friend without that. And within that respect she can ask me questions and I can ask her questions and we can grow as people and learn.

I hope I explained myself a little better without sounding fussy. I just want you to know that I understand what you are saying. I respect your view also. Everyone here is entitled to speak their mind and while we might not always agree, I understand and respect any view you may have! Again ~ I am rambling ~ sorry
 
anikka said:
LIDARKSIDE said:
If you take a closer look, you'll see there's more anti-christian messages and teachings all around us. There are many, many more children's movies out there that are anti-christian; also, children's shows on tv, the public schools, books, etc.
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Public schools are not intended to give any kind of religious or moral instruction. There is a seperation between church and state AND a freedom of religion in this country. As a parent it is your prerogative to choose religious education be it through a private/parochial school or through things such as "sunday school", confirmation, hebrew school etc.

Also remember that many books (i don't know the details about this particular book/movie) are intended to be FICTION. Teach your kids the different between fact and fiction. It's not harmful for them to have an imagination...Imagination is the seed of invention and technology.

I think its important to teach children not only tolerance for different views (religious and otherwise) but respect. Without respect, the world will only have room for chaos and conflict and not love.
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My comment pertaining to public schools was outside the scope of what your addressing. My comments were based on knowledge in being involved with public school matters, people who sued the states over assessment tests, board members against OBE, matters completely unknown to the parent, etc. Maybe, what some parents should do is obtain a copy of their state's school codes and see what's actually in there. In Pennsylvania, it still states that there will be 15 minute of Bible reading for all school children at the opening of the day; and parents may opt their child out of that. Of course, it's not practiced; but it's still part of the PA school code. However, my comments were not to start a debate or get out of hand like elsewhere; because we're above that here.
 
LIDARKSIDE said:
My comment pertaining to public schools was outside the scope of what your addressing. My comments were based on knowledge in being involved with public school matters, people who sued the states over assessment tests, board members against OBE, matters completely unknown to the parent, etc. Maybe, what some parents should do is obtain a copy of their state's school codes and see what's actually in there. In Pennsylvania, it still states that there will be 15 minute of Bible reading for all school children at the opening of the day; and parents may opt their child out of that. Of course, it's not practiced; but it's still part of the PA school code. However, my comments were not to start a debate or get out of hand like elsewhere; because we're above that here.
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I apologize for misundertanding you. I too do feel that its incredibly important that parents be involved and aware of what is going on in the schools. I work in an urban elementary school and I would do anything to get our parents more involved (we are trying incredibly hard).

LIDARKSIDE said:
However, my comments were not to start a debate or get out of hand like elsewhere; because we're above that here.
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I'm not trying to debate either. I just wanted to have a respectful adult conversation about this topic.

I'm full of SA love :love:
 
It is hard to get the parents in the school! Before I started health problems, I was up at the school 100 ~ 200 hour a year plus working there and PTO and Site Base council. With a small school you can't get a lot of parent involvement. I loved my school and my kids. Now I have withdrawals that I can only be up there when I feel "better" or have a "good" day. It is sad.
 
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