court wont review obama's eligibility to serve

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WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court has turned down an emergency appeal from a New Jersey man who says President-elect Barack Obama is ineligible to be president because he was a British subject at birth.

The court did not comment on its order Monday rejecting the call by Leo Donofrio of East Brunswick, N.J., to intervene in the presidential election.


yeah for the supreme court. I think its absolutely ridiculous that it got as far as it did.. now if they could only get Berg to go away.
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thats tin foil on his head in case ya'll were wondering.
 
I don't get this - the constitution states:

constitutional requirements for president:

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

If you're going to be involved in government in the United States, citizenship is a must. To be a Senator or Representative, you must be a citizen of the United States. To be President, not only must you be a citizen, but you must also be natural-born. Aside from participation in government, citizenship is an honor bestowed upon people by the citizenry of the United States when a non-citizen passes the required tests and submits to an oath.

Natural-born citizen

Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

* Anyone born inside the United States
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

Separate sections handle territories that the United States has acquired over time, such as Puerto Rico (8 USC 1402), Alaska (8 USC 1404), Hawaii (8 USC 1405), the U.S. Virgin Islands (8 USC 1406), and Guam (8 USC 1407). Each of these sections confer citizenship on persons living in these territories as of a certain date, and usually confer natural-born status on persons born in those territories after that date. For example, for Puerto Rico, all persons born in Puerto Rico between April 11, 1899, and January 12, 1941, are automatically conferred citizenship as of the date the law was signed by the President (June 27, 1952). Additionally, all persons born in Puerto Rico on or after January 13, 1941, are natural-born citizens of the United States. Note that because of when the law was passed, for some, the natural-born status was retroactive.

The law contains one other section of historical note, concerning the Panama Canal Zone and the nation of Panama. In 8 USC 1403, the law states that anyone born in the Canal Zone or in Panama itself, on or after February 26, 1904, to a mother and/or father who is a United States citizen, was "declared" to be a United States citizen. Note that the terms "natural-born" or "citizen at birth" are missing from this section.

In 2008, when Arizona Senator John McCain ran for president on the Republican ticket, some theorized that because McCain was born in the Canal Zone, he was not actually qualified to be president. However, it should be noted that section 1403 was written to apply to a small group of people to whom section 1401 did not apply. McCain is a natural-born citizen under 8 USC 1401(c): "a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person." Not eveyone agrees that this section includes McCain - but absent a court ruling either way, we must presume citizenship.
 
We can kiss the constitution goodbye.

I have to add if this issue of him showing his birth certificate made it this far then apparently the whole thing is still a problem for many people. I still can't figure why he just didn't show the thing along with all the other documents he refused to provide. I can't wait to see what this guy does as president.
 
He did show his birth certificate to anyone and everyone he was required too. Because a few people( who have no standing btw) want to see it its a big deal?.. these same people complaining because he wont show THEM his birth certificate wouldn't be happy no matter what.. He could show it them and they would still say fake! fake! fake!.. some people are just bitter.. I sure wish I hadn't lost that sour grapes smiley.. :laughing:


found it..
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I don't know where Obama was born because I did not deliver him :) The one baby I did deliver is a policeman now, and if he ever runs for president I can vouch for him. :sunny:

Where I was born is featured in a movie-only problem when I tell people, hey want to see the exact spot where I was born, the very room...the problem is that the movie in question is "Ba*ta*d Out of Carolina" :error:

The Obama dual nationality question is very confusing. All I know is Keanu Reeves is Canadian.

http://features.csmonitor.com/polit...ill-be-president-supreme-court-declines-case/
 
From what I have read, the place of birth isn't the main issue. No matter where he was born, Obama had an American mother and a British (Kenyan) father. In his books, he has referred to his dual citizenship. It is also well documented that Obama was an Indonesian citizen as a child and traveled from the US to Indonesia on an Indo passport when he was a young adult. Our constitution has requirements for the office of president that are designed to insure that a potential president does not have divided loyalties. I think the supreme court should hear the evidence. If they rule that Obama meets the definition of "natural born", end of issue. If he doesn't, it ought to be settled now, before he takes office.
 
. It is also well documented that Obama was an Indonesian citizen as a child and traveled from the US to Indonesia on an Indo passport when he was a young adult.

I'm an idiot when it comes to politics (and a lot of other stuff) but couldn't this lead to endless long drawn out hearings and possible impeachment type activity after he gets into office ? Like Clinton went through with Monica? :scratch:
 
. It is also well documented that Obama was an Indonesian citizen as a child and traveled from the US to Indonesia on an Indo passport when he was a young adult.

I'm an idiot when it comes to politics (and a lot of other stuff) but couldn't this lead to endless long drawn out hearings and possible impeachment type activity after he gets into office ? Like Clinton went through with Monica? :scratch:

I think it could and probably will. This is all a matter of trust. If we can't trust him to simply provide the proof we can't trust him to run the country. I can understand why blacks voted him in but I have to wonder why whites would. Obama in his own words in his books hate whites. And where is the change when so far he is appointing Clinton administration to his cabinet.

The guy has no experience and has shown he can't be trusted. He's got a big head by creating the office of the president elect and God only knows what else he's hiding.
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081208/pl_politico/16292

Liberals are growing increasingly nervous – and some just flat-out angry – that President-elect Barack Obama seems to be stiffing them on Cabinet jobs and policy choices.

Obama has reversed pledges to immediately repeal tax cuts for the wealthy and take on Big Oil. He’s hedged his call for a quick drawdown in Iraq. And he’s stocking his White House with anything but stalwarts of the left.

Now some are shedding a reluctance to puncture the liberal euphoria at being rid of President George W. Bush to say, in effect, that the new boss looks like the old boss.
 
Found this


Tomorrow at 11:00 the Supreme Court will hear another case related to today's: see below from Donofrio's website:

PRESS RELEASE: 12.08.08 7:20 pm
Cort Wrotnowski’s emergency application for a stay and/or injunction as to the Electoral College meeting on Dec. 15 was today referred to the full Court by the Honorable Associate Justice Anotonin Scalia. It has been distributed for Conference of Friday December 12. The official case name is WROTNOWSKI v. BYSIEWICZ, United States Supreme Court Docket No. 08A469.

The Wrotnowski Supreme Court application was prepared by Leo Donofrio, Esq. and is centered on the same issue from Donofrio’s case which was discussed by the Supreme Court in its conference of December 5 - whether Barack Obama is not eligible to the office of President due to the fact that he was a British citizen at the time of his birth.

Tomorrow, Dec. 9 - Cort Wrotnowski will submit a supplemental brief concerning the newly discovered ineligibility of twenty-first President Chester Arthur due to his having been born as a British subject. This is relevant to the case at hand in that Justice Gray - who wrote the seminal opinion in United States v. Wong Kim Arc - was appointed by Chester Arthur.

The Wong Kim Arc case involves an important historical opinion that SCOTUS justices will certainly consider as to the Obama natural born citizen issue.

The recent discovery calls into question the motivations of both Arthur and Gray since Arthur’s father was a British subject not naturalized at the time of Chester’s birth. In fact, William Arthur was not naturalized until 1843, fourteen years after Chester was born. In the light of historical retrospection, Justice Gray’s decision in Wong Kim Arc seems tailor made to the circumstances of Arthur’s birth.

Chester Arthur was born in 1829. The 14th Amendment wasn’t ratified until 1868, and Wong Kim Arc was decided in 1898. But under United States law in 1829 it’s not clear that Arthur would have even been considered a United States citizen at the time of his birth, let alone a “natural born citizen” eligible to be President. At best, he would have been a dual citizen of Great Britain and the United States.

It was proved earlier this week, by various articles in the Brooklyn Eagle printed circa 1880, and other authorities, that when Arthur was on the campaign trail as Garfield’s running mate he lied many times about his father’s emigration record, his parents’ life in Canada before coming to the United States, and his father’s age. Chester also burned his papers and falsified his birth year. It appears now that he was doing so to conceal the POTUS eligibility issue.

Every other President (who didn’t become eligible under the Article 2, Section 1 grandfather clause) was born to American citizen parents in the United States. The fact that he was a British subject at birth was first reported on Friday Dec. 5.

It must now be questioned whether the relationship between Chester Arthur and Justice Gray was influenced by Arthur’s eligibility problems and whether those issues effected Gray’s opinion and vote in Wong Kim Arc.

It must also be considered that the integrity of Justice Gray’s SCOTUS appointment might have been called into question if Chester Arthur’s POTUS ineligibility issues had become known.


All of the above is relevant to the issue of whether Barack Obama is a natural born citizen in that the core Supreme Court opinion in Wong Kim Arc must now be re-evaluated in lieu of the fact that the Justice who wrote the opinion was appointed by Chester Arthur.

Leo Donofrio will accompany Cort Wrotnowski to Washington D.C. tomorrow and both will be available for comment at 11:00 AM on the steps of the Supreme Court. This is not a rally, protest or vigil. If the media would like to discuss this historical brief and the issues discussed above, Donofrio and Wrotnowski will be available to answer any questions thereto.

Leo C. Donofrio, Esq.

Cort Wrotnowskind
 
This thread has turned laughable. first, obama doesnt hate whites.. I guess he hates his mother, grandmother and part of himself.. I think brining up the black and white issue is just... oh, never mind whats the point.

He is not only putting Clinton administration people in his cabinet.. geez,, If he put people in there with no experience people would be complaining. anyone with experience will have worked in prior administrations..

and he didnt create the office of the president elect.

“The Office of the President-elect comes from the Presidential Transition Act of 1963. Stephanopoulos signed letters back in 1992 from the ‘Office of the President-elect.’


From what I have read, the place of birth isn't the main issue. No matter where he was born, Obama had an American mother and a British (Kenyan) father. In his books, he has referred to his dual citizenship. It is also well documented that Obama was an Indonesian citizen as a child and traveled from the US to Indonesia on an Indo passport when he was a young adult. Our constitution has requirements for the office of president that are designed to insure that a potential president does not have divided loyalties. I think the supreme court should hear the evidence. If they rule that Obama meets the definition of "natural born", end of issue. If he doesn't, it ought to be settled now, before he takes office.


And I understand the supreme court should come in and say specifically what a natural born citizen Its the whole his birth certificate isnt real that gets me going. most people.. judges, etc.. think being born in the U.S is enough to qualify. hell, McCain wasnt even born in the U.S. but the panama canal.. and that didnt seem to bother to many. :scratch:
 
^^Of course us liberals are - just like Republican's. :)

Jeez...if anything we can all agree on the fact that something needs to be done about this country.
 
^^Of course us liberals are - just like Republican's. :)

Jeez...if anything we can all agree on the fact that something needs to be done about this country.

Amen to that. I am just not sure Obama will keep his promises. I'll be waiting. Politicians are all the same so it's possible that things are not going to change much.
 
^^Amen to that too!

And here in Chicago we all woke up to images of our lovely Illinois Governor being arrested this morning. Not a shocker, just completely and utterly disappointing.

Edited to add: Just to say I wasn't implying Obama has anything to do with the Gov. issues - I was just venting...sorry I got off track!
 
Other than it being his seat that was up for sale obama has nothing to do with this. People have known for awhile that Blagojevich was corrupt. I say throw the book at him.. hell, throw several. :laughing:
 
Other than it being his seat that was up for sale obama has nothing to do with this. People have known for awhile that Blagojevich was corrupt. I say throw the book at him.. hell, throw several. :laughing:

Seriously did Obama have anything to do with this? I didn't read that. Then this could get real interesting.
 
nooooo. I said it didnt have anything to do with him. The governor was trying to sell Obama's senate seat to the highest bidder..
 
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