Governor Sarah Palin

[celticbikerbabe]

My feelings on Palin are NOT good. I believe she is the spit in the eye of every american woman in regards to her views on abortion. It's one thing to want to overturn Roe VS. Wade, it's quite another to deny women who have been impregnated via incest and rape an abortion. Who is she to deny me that right? Who is the government to deny me that right? You start giving the government a measley inch on stripping us our rights and before you know it we'll have none. I can no longer have children, but I will continue to fight for the rights of the women that can. It's a personal choice and nobody's business. She needs to worry about cleaning up her own backyard(dealing, coming to terms, and caring for Trig, taking care of her pregnant, teenaged daughter) and stay outta mine.

I agree completely. I find it utterly terrifying and depressing how there seems to be a campaign going on to quietly take away women's rights.

I wonder how many here know that the supreme court recently changed things so that it is nearly impossible for a woman to sue for equal pay:
http://www.alternet.org/workplace/58546

or that the government is attempting to categorize basically all birth control methods other than condoms as abortion medications, and write laws so that doctors can refuse to provide any treatment related to it:
http://civilliberty.about.com/b/2008/07/22/bush-administration-refines-abortion-to-potentially-include-contraception-rhythm-method-atkins-diet.htm.

I wonder what else they quietly did? :cussing:

This country was founded on freedom of religion. If someone's religion tells them something is wrong, then they can choose to not do it. Like eating meat on a certain day, fasting at certain times of the year, or wearing shoes in the house. However, when someone imposes their religious ideation into law, we have destroyed the principles this country was founded on.

There is NOT one religion in this country. There are many. Would the proponents of this suggest that those of us who do not have the same beliefs are somehow second class citizens who have no right to decide how to live their own lives, in their own homes? That we should be denied medical treatment based on a medical professional's spiritual beliefs? Where do you draw the line on that one? Can I go to work in a blood bank, and then say my religion prohibits blood transfusions, so I can't do anything on the job, but you still have to pay me?

 

[cinphi]

celticbikerbabe I think it's perfectly fine that we all have our own opinions on this topic nothing wrong with that. That is why we have different political parties. This will be the way things go forever. We can agree to disagree.

 

[ping1970]

There is NOT one religion in this country. There are many. Would the proponents of this suggest that those of us who do not have the same beliefs are somehow second class citizens who have no right to decide how to live their own lives, in their own homes? That we should be denied medical treatment based on a medical professional's spiritual beliefs? Where do you draw the line on that one? Can I go to work in a blood bank, and then say my religion prohibits blood transfusions, so I can't do anything on the job, but you still have to pay me?

See ~ that is messed up, but I can see it happening anymore. I had a friend whose husband got a job as a welder. It was a union job, as soon as he was a hired he became a union member and had union backing. They then found out that he didn't have welding experience, but couldn't fire him because the union made them train him...he knew this going into the job. He made $18.00 an hour to be trained to do a job that he basically lied and said that he knew how to do...it was crazy. Now he makes $28.00 an hour and has wonderful health coverage and only works when he wants to...he played the system and won, but to me it was wrong. I guess it goes back to ethics.

I also think it is wrong to tell teacher in Texas and Florida that they have 5 years to learn Spanish. How about telling the foreigners that they have 5 years to learn English? Yes, they need someone to teach them, but they need to be learning and attempting. If there family is over here and making a living then please try to learn some basic English if you are going to go to school and going to go to the store and expect people to wait on you. Jimmie had to deal with it on so many different occasions and he finally told the man that was bringing them in to either bring someone that could interpret or stop bringing them to him because he couldn't understand them. They were wanting to send money home, but he couldn't understand what they were saying because they didn't know any English except a few words like money...

I am really having a hard time with this election though...like I said, I don't like either. I know one of them is gonna win and I think the next four years are going to be horrible for the United States. I don't care who gets elected the war in Iraq will continue, abortion isn't going anywhere, and the country will still be as messed up as it is right now four years from now!

 

[3mnkids1]

My feelings on Palin are NOT good. I believe she is the spit in the eye of every american woman in regards to her views on abortion. It's one thing to want to overturn Roe VS. Wade, it's quite another to deny women who have been impregnated via incest and rape an abortion. Who is she to deny me that right? Who is the government to deny me that right? You start giving the government a measley inch on stripping us our rights and before you know it we'll have none. I can no longer have children, but I will continue to fight for the rights of the women that can. It's a personal choice and nobody's business. She needs to worry about cleaning up her own backyard(dealing, coming to terms, and caring for Trig, taking care of her pregnant, teenaged daughter) and stay outta mine.

I agree completely. I find it utterly terrifying and depressing how there seems to be a campaign going on to quietly take away women's rights.

I wonder how many here know that the supreme court recently changed things so that it is nearly impossible for a woman to sue for equal pay:
http://www.alternet.org/workplace/58546

or that the government is attempting to categorize basically all birth control methods other than condoms as abortion medications, and write laws so that doctors can refuse to provide any treatment related to it:
http://civilliberty.about.com/b/2008/07/22/bush-administration-refines-abortion-to-potentially-include-contraception-rhythm-method-atkins-diet.htm.

I wonder what else they quietly did? :cussing:

This country was founded on freedom of religion. If someone's religion tells them something is wrong, then they can choose to not do it. Like eating meat on a certain day, fasting at certain times of the year, or wearing shoes in the house. However, when someone imposes their religious ideation into law, we have destroyed the principles this country was founded on.

There is NOT one religion in this country. There are many. Would the proponents of this suggest that those of us who do not have the same beliefs are somehow second class citizens who have no right to decide how to live their own lives, in their own homes? That we should be denied medical treatment based on a medical professional's spiritual beliefs? Where do you draw the line on that one? Can I go to work in a blood bank, and then say my religion prohibits blood transfusions, so I can't do anything on the job, but you still have to pay me?

Thank you for the great post!

 

[cinphi]

I think this election year is very exciting. We have an african american and a woman in the top 2 slots. That's huge.

Regardless if you think one party is right and the other is wrong there are different views on each side. I happen to support the republican party and all that it stands for. Including the right to life for an unborn child. Govenor Palin did a great job and I think the only reason the liberal media are attacking her so much is because they are afraid.

Come November we will all know what America thinks. Yes this nation has problems but it's still the best place in the world to live. I know because I lived in Germany for a time and I couldn't wait to come home

 

[3mnkids1]

yeah they are afraid.. Afraid of her not being qualified for the job. Afraid that she will have a say on policy. Afraid that we will have another 4 years just like the last 8. :laughing:

 

[completelyme]

First, I want to thank Tammy for bringing up the sex ed cause again. I haven't been on the computer at all since yesterday and so I felt maybe I would be looked at as "keeping the pot boiling" instead of making valid points. So, thanks!

Palin supports abstinence-only sex ed. She does not support the detailed sex ed classes that are normally taught in schools. It's ironic that she now has a teenaged daughter who is pregnant. I'm not questioning her parenting at all. Everyone has a right to teach their children as they see fit and having a teenaged, pregnant daughter is not the end of the world. However, it does seem ironic to me.

As I said yesterday, if schools aren't supposed to incorporate a sex ed class and parents don't want to talk about it with their children how in the world are children supposed to learn about their evolving sexuality? The notion that they need to figure it out on their own is ridiculous and preposterous. That will lead them to trial and error. Watching National Geographic and animals mating isn't going to cut it. Teaching your children that sex is dirty and should be avoided isn't going to cut it. You give them half a chance when you couple sex ed at school and sex ed at home. Only then are they capable of figuring out what is right or wrong for them.

I've been talking to my oldest son about sex since he came home and asked me about a dirty sanchez. He was 8 or 9 and in the third or fourth grade. He got a crash course in sex ed from me that day. It was mainly about how babies are made but sex none the less. He's now 12, fully educated about sex(thanks to me and our wonderful school) and is fully aware of the consequences of him having sex(I say consequences because there's nothing pro about having sex at 12). He's been kissed by 2 different girls and while they were the aggressors, he kissed back. He's going through puberty, taking extra care and paying special attention to his showering, clothing, and breath whereas before, he wasn't. Things in him are changing and I'm absolutely terrified although I and the school have armed him with knowledge.

when someone imposes their religious ideation into law, we have destroyed the principles this country was founded on.

Bikerbabe-your post was spot on!! All of it!! I hope people take the time to read your links. Knowledge is power!!

I wanted to touch on this specific quote because this is my main quarrel with the social conservatives. Have your religious beliefs but let me have mine as well. Do NOT impose them on me just as I am not imposing mine on you. It's power-hungry greed and self righteous to do so. It's not for the better of our contry. It's to inflict power and authority on all of us.

 

[celticbikerbabe]

No matter what your personal beliefs are, our rights are being stripped away. It is fine to have your own spiritually based beliefs, and agree to disagree, but when you make them into law and impose them on others who do not believe the same, that is oppression. I am sure you would not like it if someone with different beliefs than yours started doing this.

What if we elected a nudist, and they legalized public nudity? Just because the big wigs doing it now just happen to be on the same wavelength as you, doesn't mean that will be the case in the future. Down the road the laws that are made could be just as offensive to you as these are to us.

It is a double edged sword, and I think it is extremely important to get that point across. People have become distracted and do not pay attention to what is happening like they used to, are easily redirected by hot button issues, and that fact is being well taken advantage of.

Not just for religious ideals, but also for commercial interests. Example: in 2005, the supreme court ruled that local and state goverment can force you out of your home under the eminent domain law, not just to widen roads and such, but now also for private commercial interests.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/23/AR2005062300783_pf.html

So, with that law, you could be contacted at any time, and told you have to sell your home to the government at the price they choose (which is ALWAYS way less than it is worth), so that they can sell the land to Wal-mart at a huge profit to put up a store. This is not far fetched, it has already happened more than once, and will continue until we all rally to get that awful law tossed out.

Do you get what I mean? I am not trying to change your mind on what your believe, I am trying to point out a serious problem that is going to affect us and generations to come, in ways we cannot even imagine. This is something that all people need to be informed about, far more than they are now, and the media just isn't doing a good job of that at all.

Did any of you know about these 3 things I posted?

 

[ping1970]

Come November we will all know what America thinks. Yes this nation has problems but it's still the best place in the world to live.

Now that is something that I think we all can agree on! At least we have the right to speak our minds and say what we think. We have the right to pray in public if we want, or not to! Our kids have the right to go to school and not fight when they are big enough to pack a gun.

No matter what we disagree on, we have been blessed in this country! Sometimes when I am growling about how bad things are I need to be reminded about how good we really do have it here!

 

[completelyme]

I think the only reason the liberal media are attacking her so much is because they are afraid

yeah they are afraid.. Afraid of her not being qualified for the job. Afraid that she will have a say on policy. Afraid that we will have another 4 years just like the last 8. :laughing:

Yeah, other than those things I can't think of why the liberal media would be afraid LOL

McCain spoke to Palin twice. Once at a meeting and then when he called her to ask her to be his running mate. That's just...wow!

 

[cinphi]

I will speak up for the conservatives and say I am very happy to be able to have the right to life for unborn babies. I am glad to have the right to vote how I see fit. I am proud of Sarah Palin for standing up for morals and for ethics.

Yes we disagree and when November comes along we can go vote. Obama is paniced because he does not have the experience it takes to run this country. McCain does.

This is a very close race and it is very exciting to watch.

 

[cinphi]

None of us here will change the other person's mind :laughing: We have pretty much decided who we will vote for.

 

[ping1970]

No matter what your personal beliefs are, our rights are being stripped away. It is fine to have your own spiritually based beliefs, and agree to disagree, but when you make them into law and impose them on others who do not believe the same, that is oppression. I am sure you would not like it if someone with different beliefs than yours started doing this.

What if we elected a nudist, and they legalized public nudity? Just because the big wigs doing it now just happen to be on the same wavelength as you, doesn't mean that will be the case in the future. Down the road the laws that are made could be just as offensive to you as these are to us.

It is a double edged sword, and I think it is extremely important to get that point across. People have become distracted and do not pay attention to what is happening like they used to, are easily redirected by hot button issues, and that fact is being well taken advantage of.

Not just for religious ideals, but also for commercial interests. Example: in 2005, the supreme court ruled that local and state goverment can force you out of your home under the eminent domain law, not just to widen roads and such, but now also for private commercial interests.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/23/AR2005062300783_pf.html

So, with that law, you could be contacted at any time, and told you have to sell your home to the government at the price they choose (which is ALWAYS way less than it is worth), so that they can sell the land to Wal-mart at a huge profit to put up a store. This is not far fetched, it has already happened more than once, and will continue until we all rally to get that awful law tossed out.

Do you get what I mean? I am not trying to change your mind on what your believe, I am trying to point out a serious problem that is going to affect us and generations to come, in ways we cannot even imagine. This is something that all people need to be informed about, far more than they are now, and the media just isn't doing a good job of that at all.

Did any of you know about these 3 things I posted?

I understand exactly what you are saying there and I agree. Just because we have been handed Christian religious politics all these years, what if it wasn't...what if it was Islam. I know things can change and who knows what we will face in the future ~ nothing is guaranteed.

My personal belief is that abortion is wrong,but that is my belief. Can I honestly say that they should overturn Roe v. Wade? No ~ I can't. Yes, I think it is murder and it kills my heart to think about it, but women will kill there babies one way or the other, they always have. I go back to the women that have tubal pregnancies, basically it is the same thing...it is an abortion, but the mother will die if the baby isn't removed. Again gray areas. Jimmie has always asked me what I would do if I was raped and became pregnant and it was an easy choice for me, I would have the baby and maybe put it up for adoption. I ,personally, could never have an abortion. BUT if someone raped Ashelyn now at 11 years old and she became pregnant...that would be another story all together. I just don't think I could let her little 11 year old body go through it...gray areas! Again just where I think there should be a choice always and why I believe there should be a choice!

 

[ping1970]

None of us here will change the other person's mind :laughing: We have pretty much decided who we will vote for.

See, I'm just babbling...I don't know what I am talking about, so I share with everyone

 

[cinphi]

None of us here will change the other person's mind :laughing: We have pretty much decided who we will vote for.

See, I'm just babbling...I don't know what I am talking about, so I share with everyone

:laughing: it all comes down to difference of opinions. We all have them and again isn't it great to be in America where we have that freedom.

 

[3mnkids1]

None of us here will change the other person's mind :laughing: We have pretty much decided who we will vote for.

See, I'm just babbling...I don't know what I am talking about, so I share with everyone

you are not babbling. You are stating your opinion. just like everyone else has. just because we wont change anyone's mind doesnt mean we cant still discuss this issue.

 

[3mnkids1]

I understand exactly what you are saying there and I agree. Just because we have been handed Christian religious politics all these years, what if it wasn't...what if it was Islam. I know things can change and who knows what we will face in the future ~ nothing is guaranteed.

My personal belief is that abortion is wrong,but that is my belief. Can I honestly say that they should overturn Roe v. Wade? No ~ I can't. Yes, I think it is murder and it kills my heart to think about it, but women will kill there babies one way or the other, they always have. I go back to the women that have tubal pregnancies, basically it is the same thing...it is an abortion, but the mother will die if the baby isn't removed. Again gray areas. Jimmie has always asked me what I would do if I was raped and became pregnant and it was an easy choice for me, I would have the baby and maybe put it up for adoption. I ,personally, could never have an abortion. BUT if someone raped Ashelyn now at 11 years old and she became pregnant...that would be another story all together. I just don't think I could let her little 11 year old body go through it...gray areas! Again just where I think there should be a choice always and why I believe there should be a choice!

Exactly! The people who make policy don't have to look in the face of a 11 or 12 yr old girl who was raped by daddy and is pregnant and tell her she must carry that baby to term.

 

[celticbikerbabe]

Just to lighten things up a little -

Here, we can all show our political choice - by voting for Baskin Robbins new ice cream flavor! :crazytongue: opcorn:

It is 50/50 right now!!!


http://www.baskinrobbins.com/Spotlight/Elections.aspx?cid=339484&jid=6224411&mc=157&eid=204074&utm_source=Elections_Email&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Elections_Email

 

[cinphi]

None of us here will change the other person's mind :laughing: We have pretty much decided who we will vote for.

See, I'm just babbling...I don't know what I am talking about, so I share with everyone

you are not babbling. You are stating your opinion. just like everyone else has. just because we wont change anyone's mind doesnt mean we cant still discuss this issue.

I agree so let's discuss :laughing: I support McCain because I think he has shown that he is capable of running the country through his past experiences and his character. I don't just base my decission for POTUS on religious beliefs but that does play a part in it. McCain does not change his mind at the direction that the wind blows. Obama has lied about taking public financing and he has moved more center now than his far left stance.

If we base our voting decision on who we think will be the better person then we have done our best. I am not liberal and do not believe in liberal choices. Politics is corrupt but we can sit back and do nothing or we can have a voice and vote.

Some here say they don't want the government telling them what to do with their bodies but they want the government teaching their kids about sex. I think that's a little contradictory. Personally I don't think the abortion issue should be in politics just as I don't think sex ed should be a government issue either. However christianity is a big part of what America is. Obama himself claims to be christian.

Well this is enough to start with

:laughing:

 

[completelyme]

No matter what your personal beliefs are, our rights are being stripped away. It is fine to have your own spiritually based beliefs, and agree to disagree, but when you make them into law and impose them on others who do not believe the same, that is oppression. I am sure you would not like it if someone with different beliefs than yours started doing this.

What if we elected a nudist, and they legalized public nudity? Just because the big wigs doing it now just happen to be on the same wavelength as you, doesn't mean that will be the case in the future. Down the road the laws that are made could be just as offensive to you as these are to us.

It is a double edged sword, and I think it is extremely important to get that point across. People have become distracted and do not pay attention to what is happening like they used to, are easily redirected by hot button issues, and that fact is being well taken advantage of.

Not just for religious ideals, but also for commercial interests. Example: in 2005, the supreme court ruled that local and state goverment can force you out of your home under the eminent domain law, not just to widen roads and such, but now also for private commercial interests.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/23/AR2005062300783_pf.html

So, with that law, you could be contacted at any time, and told you have to sell your home to the government at the price they choose (which is ALWAYS way less than it is worth), so that they can sell the land to Wal-mart at a huge profit to put up a store. This is not far fetched, it has already happened more than once, and will continue until we all rally to get that awful law tossed out.

Do you get what I mean? I am not trying to change your mind on what your believe, I am trying to point out a serious problem that is going to affect us and generations to come, in ways we cannot even imagine. This is something that all people need to be informed about, far more than they are now, and the media just isn't doing a good job of that at all.

Did any of you know about these 3 things I posted?

Bikerbabe, your entire post was excellent and I felt it needed quoted in its entirety.

Let me speak of the eminent domain law. I've seen it happen. It's going on in the city where hubby and I were born and raised. People are being forced to sell their homes to pave the way for a Wal-Mart! Yes folks, Wal-Mart. Some folks do not want to sell/move but have no choice. It sickens me to my very core. Hubby's old boss was one of the people affected by this law. He had to sell his beautiful home that he had bought and paid off for pennies on the dollar. Not to mention relocating his wife and kids while trying to run his business of 20 years.
It is definately oppression and our rights are definately being stripped away. I don't know why more conservatives don't realize and/or speak on that. Simply because they don't care? One does wonder.

And fighting for the right to life for unborn babies that aren't yours is not your business. Making a woman carry a baby to term is not your business. Especially for those women that were raped. It's not your business what she does.

And I'm sorry but categorizing all birth control methods as abortion and allowing laws to be written so that doctors may refuse treatment is against our constitutional rights. I'm sorry if not everyone can see that.

And you can bet your conservative butt that if I had been raped and impregnated I'd not walk but run to the abortion clinic. What child/woman should be made to carry daddy's baby or a stranger-rapist's baby? How great is it going to be to live in America if our constitutional rights are stripped away?