Governor Sarah Palin

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ping1970 said:
Have you been around a bunch of kids and just listened to them lately? It is just amazing ~ I was at a middle school football game last night and a group of middle school kids were sitting behind me and the things that were coming out of those kids mouths were terrible! I would love to say that I am surprised, but I'm not, being around kids this age more often than not I hear stuff like this and I make sure to point it out to my kids that it isn't acceptable talk ~ PERIOD! It isn't cute, and it isn't funny! It is gross and tacky and that if I ever hear that they act like that in public they won't be in public alone anymore. My kids have this great fear of me embarassing them in public anyway...they know that I will say stuff that I think is funny to people so they are scared when I say something like that!
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My girls talked like that when they were not around me as teenagers just like we did when we were young. Well at least I know I did. But when they were around me they didn't talk trash. I caught them a couple times on the phone with their friends and I was shocked. Needless to say I butted into that conversation. I think kids will have to make the choice on their own as to rather or not they will go down the wrong path. No matter what you teach them. I did teach them what I thought was the right choices but sometimes they didn't listen. Neither of the girls got pregnant so I am grateful for that.
 
ping1970 said:
This is my view ~ in a perfect world sex ed. wouldn't be necessary, but this isn't a perfect world. My kids have been through sex ed. and I have talked to all of my kids about sex (Ashelyn's talks aren't that indepth yet) but they understand where I stand on the subject and I know how they feel. There has to be a fine line there. You have to know that they have the knowledge that they will need one of these days when they do become sexually active. You know, I hope my kids wait, but realistically I don't know that will happen. I'm not so naive to believe that they don't have the very same feelings that I myself had at that age. How they will handle them, I don't know...I do know that they have an open door to come and talk to me about anything!

I have raised my kids very carefully. I am carefully to watch what they see on TV. They don't watch subjective movies and such. I really do try to censor stuff. They have great friends and haven't been able to gallop all around the county doing whatever they want to on a whim, but again, when they go out of the house they see and hear things that I can't control. They have there own minds and their on feelings. I can't control that, all I can hope for is to be a part of their important decision making process from here on out. Kids can have a way of blocking out their parents, and so far mine don't. Caitlyn and I are extremely close for a mother and a 15 year old and she says that she wants to wait until she is married to have sex. I hope she does ~ she says it will just complicate her life more than it is and she doesn't have time for it...I just hope her boyfriend keeps on feeling the same way! Seems to be a great boy so far yet. Considering that they are only 15 and not allowed to date, this is the easy time to say that though!

I just don't believe this is a one size fits all catagory. I know that some of these kids "need" to be able to talk to someone besides their parents. Some parents would rather die than mention S-E-X to their kids, Jimmie being one of them. He can't believe that I talk to my kids the way that I do. I just am not going to do my girls the way I was done!
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I have also talked to mine. My daughter especially. She knows that she can come to me. I have told her waiting is best. Boys lie. :laughing: I will have condoms readily available for my children. And no I don't think having condoms is saying hey, go ahead and have sex.. Its saying hey, if you are going to do it at least be safe about it. I would hate to see one of my children dying from aids when all it takes is being safe. thats it!..

Children don't just know about sex. If they did there wouldn't be stupid little girls running around thinking oral sex isn't sex. They wouldn't believe as long as their isn't actual penetration they cant get pregnant. those are the ideas kids get when they get their information from each other.. not from adults. parents need to talk to their children. They need to be informed. And all it takes is one child who's parents dont talk to them to spread false information like what I said above. That is why I think its important for it to be taught at school as well.
 
I gota tell you I knew what oral sex is and I am not saying little girls are stupid but maybe that is part of the problem. Too much sex talk and too much TV and magazines confusing these little girls.

Good talk to your girls and give them condoms if you like but leave it out of the schools. I could never immagine giving my girls condoms :laughing:

Teach them to wait because in the long run it will be worth it for them.

See we will not agree on this topic but that's ok with me.
 
Like I said. I have told my daughter to wait. However, Im not so blind as to assume she will. In that case I would rather her be protected.

And I didnt say all little girls are stupid. I said the girls who think that are. I get tired of seeing these girls throw their babies in the trash because they weren't taught ways to prevent the pregnancy in the first place.
 
OK I had typed out a reply and it didn't submit :laughing: One more time

We will not agree on this topic and that's not a problem. I won't continue accept to say all one would have to do is look at animals in nature and maybe they could figure out what happens when we mate :laughing:

I have my opinion just as you have yours so I will politely not respond to this thread any more. :)
 
ok. no one here said you couldnt have an opinion. no one here said you couldnt have your say. no one got nasty, or judgemental. Just because someone doesnt agree with you it isnt a slam against you.
 
3mnkids1 said:
ok. no one here said you couldnt have an opinion. no one here said you couldnt have your say. no one got nasty, or judgemental. Just because someone doesnt agree with you it isnt a slam against you.
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Oh my gosh when did I ever say there was an attack on me? And the way I see it I have been nothing but polite. Of course I can have an opinion. of course I can have my say When did I say anyone got nasty or judgemental. I don't need anyone to agree. I never said it was a slam. I think I covered all of that so as to avoid just the type of post you just made I decided to politely not reply any more.
 
my mistake. It seemed like you were mad that I wasnt agreeing with you and that somehow it was a slam against you. It seemed you were taking it personal.

The whole I typed out a reply and then didn't submit threw me. Like you cant say what you want. and the whole you have your say and I have mine so I will politely not respond anymore like others weren't being polite. Thats the way I read it. Sorry if I misunderstood. Like has been said before its not always easy to understand from the typed word what a person means.
 
No there are still glitches in the forums. I really don't try to stir the pot or say something upsetting to someone else. That is just not what I do. I try to be respectfull of everyone. :)
 
At least we can agree about the glitches :laughing: It keeps saying wait 5 seconds when Its been way longer than that.

And I don't think you try to stir the pot. And I agree that we can be respectful and still disagree with each other. I have a really funny pot stirring smiley but it isn't appropriate.. shame really. :whistle:
 
3mnkids1 said:
At least we can agree about the glitches :laughing: It keeps saying wait 5 seconds when Its been way longer than that.

And I don't think you try to stir the pot. And I agree that we can be respectful and still disagree with each other. I have a really funny pot stirring smiley but it isn't appropriate.. shame really. :whistle:
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:laughing: yep wait 5 seconds and then when you go back and I try and resend it it says you have already submitted this.

OK I agree the site is not up to speed. Find that smiley :laughing: So we are good now.
 
My feelings on Palin are NOT good. I believe she is the spit in the eye of every american woman in regards to her views on abortion. It's one thing to want to overturn Roe VS. Wade, it's quite another to deny women who have been impregnated via incest and rape an abortion. Who is she to deny me that right? Who is the government to deny me that right? You start giving the government a measley inch on stripping us our rights and before you know it we'll have none. I can no longer have children, but I will continue to fight for the rights of the women that can. It's a personal choice and nobody's business. She needs to worry about cleaning up her own backyard(dealing, coming to terms, and caring for Trig, taking care of her pregnant, teenaged daughter) and stay outta mine.
 
cin said:
No there are still glitches in the forums. I really don't try to stir the pot or say something upsetting to someone else. That is just not what I do. I try to be respectfull of everyone. :)
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I just disabled the 5 second wait option in the forum. Hopefully this won't be an issue anymore when posting.
 
This is going back to the sex ed. thing (waiting for the big groan...done yet???...still waiting...okay!)!

Anyway, you guys know that I worked in the lunchroom at school for a year right? I was just going to tell you that I heard the kids talking about sex before they ever had a sex ed. class. This was a small group of kids mind you, it was combined to a handful of 5th graders and a few 4th graders, but it was all they talked about. There was a 5th grade boy and girl that I just wonder what had happened between the two of them. They were neighbors and they talked about a lot of stuff, and I am afraid that a lot of it wasn't just talk. It was so strange though ~ you had Caitlyn's side of the 5th grade table talking about video games and animals and then you had the other side talking about sex...

So when it came time for the sex ed I signed the papers. I had already talked to Caitlyn and made a point to sit down with her every night and go over what they talked about in class to see what they learned. I was lucky that the lady that taught them didn't go into deep details about a lot of things. It just was a stepping stone for me and Caitlyn and when Ashelyn had it it was the same way, so I just used it to made sure that they understood what I expect out them as my children. It was not mandatory in 5th grade, but when the kids got 9th (Ashelyn of course isn't there yet) it is a different story. It is part of the Health curriculum then and it was a manatory 9th grade course here...I imagine that you could have a fit and have your kid sit out, but I bet most parents don't know what there kids are learning in there. Caitlyn came home and told me about some of the conversations that they were having. It was way above what was in the textbooks...the teacher seemed to handle it with grace, but it was very in depth. I don't know if the kids really had questions or were trying to test the teacher to see if they could embarrass her...she knew and she answered ~ lol!! It was a two week part of a year long course.

I will be honest with you all ~ I know that Travis has had sex. Do I like it ~ not one bit! The girl scared me to death. She was aggressive and I was afraid of her personality. I know that it takes two to tango though and I have to be honest, I was glad when they broke up. I had many conversations with him about protection, and yes, I would have gotten him protection if he wasn't getting it himself. He though he was in love...I told him that he was in lust that he would learn the difference.

Now we get into the tricky part though ~ will I expect different from my girls...well, I don't know. Travis had been dating this girl for almost 6 months when this happened. She had this stalker personality and when they broke up, she was stalking him and calling him and driving by Dad's house...it was crazy. But people talked about her because she had sex ~ not him. Is it fair, no! But it is true. Caitlyn heard the talk and hopefully took it to heart also. Okay, done rambling again I think...sorry not talking about Palin last night yet...
 
Tammy having raised 2 girls it was very hard to wonder what choice they would make. My oldest waited until she was engaged but my youngest being the girl she is did not. She told me she had sex but she wished she had waited because she felt dirty after. She was 16. I asked my oldest yesterday about sex ed and she said it was only a course on anatomy. No details. I also asked her how she would have felt if I gave her a condom and she said she would have been embarrassed.

As I have been saying it's a matter of choice. Choice as to what we believe and support and a choice as to what our kids will do.
 
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